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	<title>Comments on: Commitment and Reality: From Kant to Peirce</title>
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		<title>By: Frank Luke</title>
		<link>http://evolutionaryphilosophy.com/2009/11/06/commitment-and-reality-from-kant-to-peirce/#comment-1576</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 16:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Continuing the train above:

In the matter of abstract ideas it becomes much more complicated deciding and being persuaded of truth. Some factors:

1) Respect for authoritative people and institutions, sources deemed reliable, 

2) Obtaining real-life verification through empiric experiences and careful examination and thought given to the info

3) Large numbers of credible people believe the matter

4) A suspension of doubt with a sense of credibility, objections laid to rest comfortably for the while]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing the train above:</p>
<p>In the matter of abstract ideas it becomes much more complicated deciding and being persuaded of truth. Some factors:</p>
<p>1) Respect for authoritative people and institutions, sources deemed reliable, </p>
<p>2) Obtaining real-life verification through empiric experiences and careful examination and thought given to the info</p>
<p>3) Large numbers of credible people believe the matter</p>
<p>4) A suspension of doubt with a sense of credibility, objections laid to rest comfortably for the while</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Luke</title>
		<link>http://evolutionaryphilosophy.com/2009/11/06/commitment-and-reality-from-kant-to-peirce/#comment-1574</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Luke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 16:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thinking aloud about truth and our acceptance of certain feedback and info and ignoring or not accepting other info:

1) It seems a matter of recognizing, choosing to believe, choosing not to believe, dismissing/ignoring  info. 

2) Familiarity and frequent exposure to info that convinces us of its reality.

3) Sources we respect and feel confident in believing convince us of truth, including numbers of people--the persuasiveness of the many

4) A commonsense acceptance of pragmatic matter of matter of factness of something--avoiding danger and pain, seeing in the dark, touching things, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking aloud about truth and our acceptance of certain feedback and info and ignoring or not accepting other info:</p>
<p>1) It seems a matter of recognizing, choosing to believe, choosing not to believe, dismissing/ignoring  info. </p>
<p>2) Familiarity and frequent exposure to info that convinces us of its reality.</p>
<p>3) Sources we respect and feel confident in believing convince us of truth, including numbers of people&#8211;the persuasiveness of the many</p>
<p>4) A commonsense acceptance of pragmatic matter of matter of factness of something&#8211;avoiding danger and pain, seeing in the dark, touching things, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck R</title>
		<link>http://evolutionaryphilosophy.com/2009/11/06/commitment-and-reality-from-kant-to-peirce/#comment-1219</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck R]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 01:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The word &quot;transcend&quot; is one of those annoying words that has a wide variety of meanings and implications, not all of which the writer may intend.  No writer can possibly figure out all the ways all readers may misinterpret or &quot;add onto&quot; the meaning he intended for any word, phrase, or sentence.

Many people (including me, much of the time) typically interpret &quot;transcend&quot; as having connotations of &quot;above, greater, bigger, better, superior, more inclusive.&quot; (transcendental meditation, anyone?) I&#039;m not convinced this is what Kant intended. I think it may be more like our &quot;picture of reality, what Kant called a necessary transcendental unity&quot; (blog, para. 4) is not and cannot be reality itself, yet it maps (with varying degrees of accuracy) onto reality (the universe-in-itself). It necessarily transcends reality because it is not an implicit part of reality. Reality can do just fine without whatever &quot;map&quot; we create of it. So to &quot;transcend&quot; is more of a step sideways than a superior view from above.

I can&#039;t help but wonder what effect on what Kant, James and Pierce thought and wrote would have been created had they available to them our current knowledge of evolution. Evolution, when accepted as a fact and INTEGRATED into one&#039;s philosophy and world-view, changes everything.

So far, philosophy hasn&#039;t really been able to integrate evolutionary theory very well. Theology has completely ignored it. Brain science is currently in the process of swallowing and digesting theology. Not much of it will remain when this process is completed. Theology is attempting to survive by encapsulating itself in a stony shell.

Consider one of our million-year ancestors, or even a 100,000 year-old ancestor. How would &quot;...William James’ conception of “The Will to Believe” in which he sees that what we choose to believe in fundamentally orients our perception of reality and as a result the way we act in the world....&quot; apply to such a person? Survival, procreation and getting along with other humans was the key to evolutionary success. Reliance on what works often enough to make survival more likely may constitute &quot;belief&quot; in such a situation. Disbelief in what endangers you and reduces your chance of survival is equally important.

In this sense, natural selection drives belief systems. Useful belief systems are positively reinforced, non-useful or harmful belief systems are negatively reinforced. There is, of course, a wide range of mediocrity between the truly useful and harmful. Natural selection generally works to eliminate the worst in any collection of competing organisms or systems, but permits survival of the mediocre.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word &#8220;transcend&#8221; is one of those annoying words that has a wide variety of meanings and implications, not all of which the writer may intend.  No writer can possibly figure out all the ways all readers may misinterpret or &#8220;add onto&#8221; the meaning he intended for any word, phrase, or sentence.</p>
<p>Many people (including me, much of the time) typically interpret &#8220;transcend&#8221; as having connotations of &#8220;above, greater, bigger, better, superior, more inclusive.&#8221; (transcendental meditation, anyone?) I&#8217;m not convinced this is what Kant intended. I think it may be more like our &#8220;picture of reality, what Kant called a necessary transcendental unity&#8221; (blog, para. 4) is not and cannot be reality itself, yet it maps (with varying degrees of accuracy) onto reality (the universe-in-itself). It necessarily transcends reality because it is not an implicit part of reality. Reality can do just fine without whatever &#8220;map&#8221; we create of it. So to &#8220;transcend&#8221; is more of a step sideways than a superior view from above.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but wonder what effect on what Kant, James and Pierce thought and wrote would have been created had they available to them our current knowledge of evolution. Evolution, when accepted as a fact and INTEGRATED into one&#8217;s philosophy and world-view, changes everything.</p>
<p>So far, philosophy hasn&#8217;t really been able to integrate evolutionary theory very well. Theology has completely ignored it. Brain science is currently in the process of swallowing and digesting theology. Not much of it will remain when this process is completed. Theology is attempting to survive by encapsulating itself in a stony shell.</p>
<p>Consider one of our million-year ancestors, or even a 100,000 year-old ancestor. How would &#8220;&#8230;William James’ conception of “The Will to Believe” in which he sees that what we choose to believe in fundamentally orients our perception of reality and as a result the way we act in the world&#8230;.&#8221; apply to such a person? Survival, procreation and getting along with other humans was the key to evolutionary success. Reliance on what works often enough to make survival more likely may constitute &#8220;belief&#8221; in such a situation. Disbelief in what endangers you and reduces your chance of survival is equally important.</p>
<p>In this sense, natural selection drives belief systems. Useful belief systems are positively reinforced, non-useful or harmful belief systems are negatively reinforced. There is, of course, a wide range of mediocrity between the truly useful and harmful. Natural selection generally works to eliminate the worst in any collection of competing organisms or systems, but permits survival of the mediocre.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Carreira</title>
		<link>http://evolutionaryphilosophy.com/2009/11/06/commitment-and-reality-from-kant-to-peirce/#comment-848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Carreira]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catherine, I doubt that your scientific worldview will be destroyed....that was Brian trying to make me look like a psychospiritual flake :)...I totally agree that the scientific method is among the best things to happen to the human race. What I want to talk about is the danger of over generalizing that success. Stay tuned.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catherine, I doubt that your scientific worldview will be destroyed&#8230;.that was Brian trying to make me look like a psychospiritual flake <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8230;I totally agree that the scientific method is among the best things to happen to the human race. What I want to talk about is the danger of over generalizing that success. Stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine</title>
		<link>http://evolutionaryphilosophy.com/2009/11/06/commitment-and-reality-from-kant-to-peirce/#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Catherine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I come late again  and it was a pleasure to read. I am happy that Carl is a modern re-incarnation of Thomas Aquinas  and I find myself completely agreeing that the findings of science and faith should agree with each other.

 my take at the scientific worldview. The problem is certainly not the scientific Method (testing ideas on experimental results and  in parallel getting ideas from careful observation of phenomena), which is so far quite  an unparalleled way of making up our way in the Universe.

The problem is the interpretation of what we do when  investigate the world this way. How close to the original is the reconstruction of reality we do this way ? 
Can the scientific method be extended to deeper levels of reality ? how do we define those deeper level ( what is the ordering criterion there, the hierarchy principle which enables us to say ``deeper&#039;&#039; ?)

 Moreover I would like to challenge the whole notion of ``worldview&#039;&#039; as being too shallow to account for the principle that make us act.  I want to say that  our worldview is not the motor of our cats, it is   more a consequence.
The difference between a cat and  human being doesn&#039;t reside mainly  in the fact that they have different world views. The point is that the cat has a different capacities to intellectualize and as such different level of consciousness. When the cat will know how to speak, his level of consciousness will increase.   is the worldview of the cat important in learning how to speak ? I don&#039;t think so.

My point is that we human should learn how to speak, should increase our capacities and transmit the new abilities, before our worldview can consequently change. 

I discover, as a surprise to myself, that  my view is strangely mechanical. Maybe that&#039;s why after all I am a scientist. To be coherent, as s scientist following Andrew Cohen&#039;s teaching, my view is that th eAuthentic self is as well mechanical. Let&#039;s say that itmight have deeper levels of reality than the mechanical one, but it must also have this one (which is the good news, since the mechanics is what our human brain knows how to do). So can we be a scientist and not believe that  `` consciousness comes from the brain&#039;&#039; but rather to believe that the mechanical view is still of actuality, that everything reals obeys  to some laws which our human scientific capacity can and will be able to unveil ?

If everything obeys mechanical laws, that&#039;s really a good news, because we have a good grip on it and more than this, human know already how to transmit mechanical knowledge to each other. So transmission will be possible.

Jeff I will see in the next blog how my scientific worldview  is probably destroyed!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I come late again  and it was a pleasure to read. I am happy that Carl is a modern re-incarnation of Thomas Aquinas  and I find myself completely agreeing that the findings of science and faith should agree with each other.</p>
<p> my take at the scientific worldview. The problem is certainly not the scientific Method (testing ideas on experimental results and  in parallel getting ideas from careful observation of phenomena), which is so far quite  an unparalleled way of making up our way in the Universe.</p>
<p>The problem is the interpretation of what we do when  investigate the world this way. How close to the original is the reconstruction of reality we do this way ?<br />
Can the scientific method be extended to deeper levels of reality ? how do we define those deeper level ( what is the ordering criterion there, the hierarchy principle which enables us to say &#8220;deeper&#8221; ?)</p>
<p> Moreover I would like to challenge the whole notion of &#8220;worldview&#8221; as being too shallow to account for the principle that make us act.  I want to say that  our worldview is not the motor of our cats, it is   more a consequence.<br />
The difference between a cat and  human being doesn&#8217;t reside mainly  in the fact that they have different world views. The point is that the cat has a different capacities to intellectualize and as such different level of consciousness. When the cat will know how to speak, his level of consciousness will increase.   is the worldview of the cat important in learning how to speak ? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>My point is that we human should learn how to speak, should increase our capacities and transmit the new abilities, before our worldview can consequently change. </p>
<p>I discover, as a surprise to myself, that  my view is strangely mechanical. Maybe that&#8217;s why after all I am a scientist. To be coherent, as s scientist following Andrew Cohen&#8217;s teaching, my view is that th eAuthentic self is as well mechanical. Let&#8217;s say that itmight have deeper levels of reality than the mechanical one, but it must also have this one (which is the good news, since the mechanics is what our human brain knows how to do). So can we be a scientist and not believe that  &#8220; consciousness comes from the brain&#8221; but rather to believe that the mechanical view is still of actuality, that everything reals obeys  to some laws which our human scientific capacity can and will be able to unveil ?</p>
<p>If everything obeys mechanical laws, that&#8217;s really a good news, because we have a good grip on it and more than this, human know already how to transmit mechanical knowledge to each other. So transmission will be possible.</p>
<p>Jeff I will see in the next blog how my scientific worldview  is probably destroyed!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Carreira</title>
		<link>http://evolutionaryphilosophy.com/2009/11/06/commitment-and-reality-from-kant-to-peirce/#comment-838</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Carreira]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Transcend and Include it will be – that is one of the key elements of Integral/Evolutionary thinking and I believe it might represent a method of inquiry that could prove to be as monstrously important as the scientific method or Hegel’s dialectic (which is perhaps an early version of transcend and include anyway). I think that there is some powerful work happening in philosophy today with the re-emergence of pragmatism and from what I am currently reading an merging of aspects of analytic philosophy that has perhaps in the past been overly wedded to a scientific worldview and the new pragmatism that is emerging from the magnificent though incomplete and sometimes naive early formations of pragmatism. I do believe that philosophy is best understood in its historical context so looking at early works of philosophy helps us understand the leading edge of thought today. Unfortunately it takes a lot of time, but together we will work it out right here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transcend and Include it will be – that is one of the key elements of Integral/Evolutionary thinking and I believe it might represent a method of inquiry that could prove to be as monstrously important as the scientific method or Hegel’s dialectic (which is perhaps an early version of transcend and include anyway). I think that there is some powerful work happening in philosophy today with the re-emergence of pragmatism and from what I am currently reading an merging of aspects of analytic philosophy that has perhaps in the past been overly wedded to a scientific worldview and the new pragmatism that is emerging from the magnificent though incomplete and sometimes naive early formations of pragmatism. I do believe that philosophy is best understood in its historical context so looking at early works of philosophy helps us understand the leading edge of thought today. Unfortunately it takes a lot of time, but together we will work it out right here.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://evolutionaryphilosophy.com/2009/11/06/commitment-and-reality-from-kant-to-peirce/#comment-837</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK Jeff, my guess is you will attempt to transcend and include the scientific worldview rather than dismantle it. See I&#039;m learning...lets see it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Jeff, my guess is you will attempt to transcend and include the scientific worldview rather than dismantle it. See I&#8217;m learning&#8230;lets see it!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 01:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My take on this is that in any comparison between a &quot;scientific worldview&quot; and pre-modern philosophy based on conjecture and logic, it&#039;s all relative. I certainly don&#039;t think that scientific method, given the methods and measurement tools we have now, can give us answers to &quot;everything.&quot; But I believe that a way to connect ideas to what actually happens, to empirical facts, represents an evolutionary advance over reliance on ideas disconnected from empirical investigation. I am a modern follower of Thomas Aquinas, I guess -- thinking that the findings of science and faith should be consistent with one another.  It was an investigation of epistemology -- how we obtain knowledge -- that caused me to decide to move from Philosophy to natural science in the late 1960&#039;s -- that we could make stuff up forever, but having a reality check would help us more quickly reject things that did not turn out to be true and refine our intuitive understandings that did turn out to be true --  faster than layer upon layer of conjecture absent systematic empirical investigation that had occurred prior to the emergence of scientific method.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on this is that in any comparison between a &#8220;scientific worldview&#8221; and pre-modern philosophy based on conjecture and logic, it&#8217;s all relative. I certainly don&#8217;t think that scientific method, given the methods and measurement tools we have now, can give us answers to &#8220;everything.&#8221; But I believe that a way to connect ideas to what actually happens, to empirical facts, represents an evolutionary advance over reliance on ideas disconnected from empirical investigation. I am a modern follower of Thomas Aquinas, I guess &#8212; thinking that the findings of science and faith should be consistent with one another.  It was an investigation of epistemology &#8212; how we obtain knowledge &#8212; that caused me to decide to move from Philosophy to natural science in the late 1960&#8242;s &#8212; that we could make stuff up forever, but having a reality check would help us more quickly reject things that did not turn out to be true and refine our intuitive understandings that did turn out to be true &#8212;  faster than layer upon layer of conjecture absent systematic empirical investigation that had occurred prior to the emergence of scientific method.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Carreira</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Carreira]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian you give me too much credit, I can&#039;t dismantle the scientific worldview. I hope to put a dent in it and perhaps give rise to some doubt as to its ability to function as a theory of everything. I also look forward to explosing my flank to your diserning intellect and being challeneged on fundemental positions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian you give me too much credit, I can&#8217;t dismantle the scientific worldview. I hope to put a dent in it and perhaps give rise to some doubt as to its ability to function as a theory of everything. I also look forward to explosing my flank to your diserning intellect and being challeneged on fundemental positions.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, I&#039;m looking forward to reading your dismantling of the scientific worldview. Good luck with that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I&#8217;m looking forward to reading your dismantling of the scientific worldview. Good luck with that!</p>
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